Boxers Are Their Own Worst Enemy When It Comes to Boxing Video Games

 

Boxing’s Digital Problem: Why Boxers Undermine the Very Games That Could Elevate the Sport

There’s a reason games like NBA 2K25 dominate the sports gaming space year after year.

And it’s not just budget.

It’s not just licenses.

It’s alignment.

Basketball players, the league, fans, and developers all treat the game as an extension of the sport itself.

Boxing doesn’t.

And that difference changes everything.

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Digital Identity Is Modern Legacy

When a new NBA 2K drops, players react to their ratings publicly. They debate attributes. They care about signature animations. They stream it. They argue about being underrated.

The message is clear:

“This game represents me.”

Now contrast that with boxing.

Too often the response is:

“It’s just a game.”

That one sentence weakens the entire ecosystem.

Because when athletes treat their digital version as unimportant, publishers treat the product as lower priority. And when publishers sense low pressure, they allocate less effort toward simulation depth.

Digital identity today is brand equity. For many younger fans, the first time they deeply understand a player is through a controller.

If boxing neglects that space, it neglects future fans.

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Unified Pressure vs Fragmented Silence

The NBA is centralized. It has league alignment. There is a cultural understanding that the video game matters.

Boxing is fragmented:

• Multiple promoters

• Multiple sanctioning bodies

• Independent contractors

• No single unified voice

That fragmentation spills into gaming.

There’s rarely coordinated demand for:

• Authentic footwork systems

• Realistic stamina models

• Accurate judging

• Style-based AI

• Career ecosystem depth

When pressure is scattered, investment shrinks.

Game companies respond to unified expectations. They don’t respond to scattered noise.

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Depth Creates Loyalty

2K isn’t popular simply because it exists. It thrives because it respects basketball structurally.

It offers:

• Deep franchise modes

• Narrative-driven careers

• Playbook authenticity

• Signature tendencies

• Historic integration

• Layered attribute systems

Fans feel like they are inside the sport.

When boxing games lack:

• Strategic nuance

• Realistic defense layers

• Style clashes that matter

• Organic rankings and politics

• Accurate simulation logic

Hardcore fans disengage.

And when hardcore fans disengage, they stop evangelizing the game. That hurts sales. That hurts DLC. That hurts long-term franchise growth.

And ultimately, it hurts boxing.

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The Missed Marketing Machine

A truly great boxing game is not a toy.

It is:

• A fan pipeline

• A historical archive

• A brand amplifier

• A youth engagement engine

• An esports opportunity

• A revenue stream

It can introduce casual gamers to legends.
It can educate new fans on why styles make fights.
It can create interest in real bouts.
It can sell pay-per-views indirectly.

Other sports understand this.

Boxing often underestimates it.

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The Financial Blind Spot

When digital representation is shallow:

• Fans buy less DLC

• Engagement drops

• Streamers lose interest

• Sales shrink

• Budgets shrink next cycle

It becomes a self-fulfilling ceiling.

But when athletes care, fans care more. When fans care more, developers invest more. When developers invest more, the product improves. And when the product improves, the sport benefits financially.

That feedback loop exists in basketball.

Boxing has not built it yet.

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The Hard Truth

Boxers often speak about legacy, respect, and preserving the sport.

But preservation today includes digital representation.

If fighters dismiss games as irrelevant, companies treat them as secondary projects.

If fighters publicly demand authenticity, depth, and respect for the craft of boxing, publishers are forced to respond.

Because a great boxing simulation isn’t just about fun.

It’s about:

• Cultural relevance

• Long-term fan growth

• Revenue expansion

• Historical preservation

Right now, boxing sometimes fights itself in this space.

And that’s unnecessary.

The ceiling for a boxing video game is enormous. It could rival the cultural footprint of any sports title — if the sport unifies behind protecting its digital image.

Until that alignment happens, publishers will continue to do what they’ve always done:

Just enough.

And boxing deserves more than that.

The Most Common Excuses Game Companies Use, And Why Fans Are Tired of Them

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The Most Common Excuses Game Companies Use,  And Why Fans Are Tired of Them

1. “It’s Too Hard/Too Complex.”

This is the go-to shield.

On the surface, it sounds honest. Game development is hard. Systems are complex. But the problem isn’t difficulty; it’s selective difficulty.

Companies magically find solutions when:

• Monetization is involved

• Live-service retention is involved

• Cosmetic pipelines are involved

Suddenly, nothing is “too hard” when it drives revenue. But when fans ask for:

• Deeper career logic

• Authentic sport mechanics

• Better AI behavior

• Realistic simulation systems

Now it’s “technically infeasible.”

Translation:

“It’s hard to do this and still ship on our timeline and budget.”

That’s a production decision, not a technical limitation.

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2. “Most Players Don’t Want That”

This one is pure assumption disguised as data.

Rarely do studios:

• Run public surveys

• Share metrics transparently

• Segment casual vs hardcore audiences honestly

Instead, they lean on:

• Focus groups of non-fans

• Engagement metrics from shallow systems

• Loud social media takes

The irony?
Sports games have aging audiences. The average fan today is older, more informed, and wants more depth, not less.

What they usually mean is:

“The players we design for don’t want that.”

And that’s often because the game itself trained them not to expect more.

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3. “We Have to Make It Accessible”

Accessibility has become a buzzword weaponized against depth.

Accessibility should mean:

• Optional assists

• Scalable difficulty

• Clear onboarding

What it’s used to justify instead:

• Removing mechanics

• Flattening skill ceilings

• Stripping nuance

Here’s the truth:
Depth and accessibility are not opposites.
Good design lets new players enter and experienced players stay.

Games fail when they:

• Design only for first-time users

• Never reward mastery

• Fear intimidating players who were never the core audience anyway

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4. “We’ll Add It Later”

This excuse relies on fan patience and short memory.

“Later” often means:

• After launch buzz dies

• After reviews are locked

• After sales goals are hit

And when it does arrive:

• It’s stripped-down

• Poorly integrated

• Untuned and unsupported

Live-service didn’t fail because of the model.
It failed because studios used it as permission to ship unfinished ideas.

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5. “That’s Not Realistic”

This one is especially insulting in sports games.

Developers will reject realism for:

• Fatigue systems

• Psychological factors

• Style-based outcomes

• Strategic pacing

But then allow:

• Impossible stamina recovery

• Homogenized athletes

• Repetitive outcomes

• Arcade logic masquerading as simulation

What they really mean is:

“We don’t know how to design this system cleanly.”

Instead of saying that, they question the sport itself.

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6. “We Don’t Want to Alienate Casual Players”

This excuse assumes casual players are fragile.

Casual players:

• Learn complex shooters

• Master RPG systems

• Navigate massive open worlds

But somehow can’t handle:

• Tactical depth

• Real sport logic

• Consequences

The reality:
Casual players don’t quit because games are deep.
They quit because games are boring, repetitive, or disrespectful to their intelligence.

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7. “We Have Limited Resources”

This is the most honest excuse, and still misleading.

Studios absolutely have limits.
What fans question is priority, not capacity.

If resources exist for:

• Annual releases

• Marketing beats

• Licensed soundtracks

• Cosmetic pipelines

Then resources also exist for:

• Core system refinement

• AI depth

• Authentic mechanics

This is a leadership decision, not a resource shortage.

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8. “Fans Don’t Agree on What They Want”

This one deflects accountability.

Yes, fans disagree, always have.
That’s not an excuse to do nothing.

Good studios:

• Identify core pillars

• Build systems that support multiple playstyles

• Let players express preference through systems, not menus

Indecision isn’t community-driven.
It’s design insecurity.

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The Underlying Truth Fans Already See

Most excuses boil down to this:

“We’re optimizing for predictability, not authenticity.”

Predictable schedules
Predictable costs
Predictable engagement metrics

But sports, especially boxing, are not predictable.
They are layered, psychological, stylistic, and human.

When games strip that away, fans don’t just feel disappointed.
They feel talked down to.

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Why This Keeps Failing

• Fans aren’t asking for perfection

• They’re asking for respect for the sport

• They’re asking for honest design intent

• They’re asking for options instead of excuses

And the most damaging part?

When companies repeat these narratives long enough, they start believing them and stop believing in the intelligence of their own audience.

The Excuses Game Companies Use, Expanded and Fully Exposed

9. “We Have to Balance the Game”

Balance is often used as a reason to flatten reality.

In sports, balance is not equality. Balance is tension. Styles beating styles. Strengths creating weaknesses elsewhere.

What studios often do instead:

• Remove dominant traits

• Normalize athletes

• Reduce variance

• Cap effectiveness across the board

That is not balance. That is sterilization.

Real balance comes from:

• Tradeoffs

• Risk vs reward

• Fatigue, momentum, psychology

• Situational dominance, not permanent dominance

When every athlete feels viable in every situation, the sport stops being the sport.

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10. “That Would Be Exploitable”

This excuse usually appears when developers fear skilled players.

Anything deep can be exploited if:

• AI does not adapt

• Systems do not interact

• Counterplay is missing

Instead of building counters, studios remove mechanics.

That is backwards design.

Exploits are not proof a system is bad. They are proof:

• The system matters

• Players are engaging with it

• The system needs iteration, not deletion

Great games evolve through players breaking them. Weak games panic when players learn them.

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11. “It Would Confuse Players”

Confusion comes from bad communication, not depth.

Players are confused when:

• Feedback is unclear

• Systems are hidden

• Consequences feel random

• Tutorials explain controls but not intent

Players are not confused by depth when:

• Visuals tell the story

• Audio reinforces decisions

• Animations show cause and effect

• Results feel earned

Confusion is a UX problem being blamed on design ambition.

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12. “It’s Not Fun”

This is the most subjective excuse and the most dangerous.

Fun is not one thing.
Fun depends on:

• Context

• Player mindset

• Long term investment

What many studios really mean is:
“This is not instantly gratifying.”

Sports are not supposed to be instantly gratifying. They are supposed to be earned.

Tension, frustration, learning, failure, adjustment, mastery.
That is where long term fun lives.

If fun is defined only by immediate dopamine, sports games will always feel shallow.

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13. “Realism Would Slow the Game Down”

This excuse misunderstands realism entirely.

Realism does not mean slow.
Realism means variable pace.

Fast when:

• Momentum shifts

• Openings appear

• A fighter is hurt

Slow when:

• Fatigue sets in

• Respect is established

• Information is being gathered

Flat pacing is the problem, not realism.

When everything is fast, nothing feels fast.

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14. “We Can’t Please Everyone”

This excuse is used to avoid choosing a vision.

No one is asking to please everyone.
Fans are asking you to:

• Commit to the sport

• Respect its identity

• Build systems that reflect reality

Trying to please everyone leads to:

• Compromised mechanics

• Mixed messaging

• Identity loss

Clear vision attracts the right audience. Vague vision attracts no one deeply.

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15. “Other Games Don’t Do That Either”

This is creative stagnation disguised as industry logic.

Sports games are compared to:

• Their competitors

• Their predecessors

• Their own past versions

Rarely are they compared to:

• What the sport actually is

• What modern technology allows

• What fans have been asking for consistently

Innovation does not come from copying limitations. It comes from questioning them.

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16. “We Have to Ship”

This is the quiet truth behind most excuses.

Deadlines exist.
Budgets exist.
Publishers exist.

Fans understand that.

What they do not accept is when:

• Marketing promises depth that design avoids

• Limitations are framed as philosophy

• Shortcuts are framed as creative choices

Honesty earns patience. Spin burns trust.

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The Pattern Fans Have Noticed

All these excuses share a pattern.

They shift responsibility away from:

• Design priorities

• Leadership decisions

• Risk aversion

• Vision weakness

And place it onto:

• Players

• The sport

• Technology

• “The market”

Fans are not fooled anymore.

They see:

• What other genres accomplish

• What smaller teams achieve

• What mods and simulations do

• What technology already supports

The question is no longer “can this be done?”
The question is “why wasn’t it prioritized?”

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Why This Hurts Boxing Games More Than Any Other Sport

Boxing is not plug and play.
It relies on:

• Subtlety

• Psychology

• Timing

• Consequences

• Style interaction

When developers remove complexity, boxing collapses faster than other sports.

You cannot fake:

• Ring IQ

• Fatigue

• Fear

• Momentum

• Respect

Without those, you are not simulating boxing.
You are animating punches.

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What Fans Are Actually Asking For

Not perfection.
Not infinite realism.
Not developer burnout.

They are asking for:

• Honest intent

• Systems that matter

• Choices with consequences

• Respect for the sport’s intelligence

• Options instead of excuses

When fans push back, it is not entitlement.
It is investment.

People do not argue this hard about things they do not care about.

 

Boxing Video Games Are Failing the Sport They Claim to Represent

Modern sports video games have made a clear commitment to authenticity. Basketball titles obsess over foot planting and shot timing. Soccer games model first touch, momentum, and spatial awareness. Even sports once considered “too complex” have been translated into layered, systemic simulations.

Boxing, however, continues to be treated as an exception — simplified, diluted, and reshaped to fit arcade expectations rather than the realities of sport.

This is not a technical limitation. It is a design mindset problem.

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Boxing Is Being Designed Backward

A boxing game should begin with the sport itself: how rounds are won, how fighters manage risk, how space is controlled, how fatigue alters decision-making, and how styles interact.

Instead, many boxing games begin with the spectacle. Punching feel is prioritized over ringcraft. Constant engagement is favored over tactical pacing. Knockouts are tuned as the primary payoff, even when doing so undermines realism.

That approach works for arcade fighters because they are built around moment-to-moment exchange. Boxing is not. Boxing is cumulative. It rewards discipline, patience, adjustment, and restraint. When a game ignores that foundation, it stops representing boxing — even if the gloves, ring, and rules are present.

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Boxer Identity Is Reduced to Attributes

In boxing, two fighters with identical physical traits can look nothing alike in the ring. Identity emerges from habits, preferences, reactions, and limitations.

Yet many boxing games reduce individuality to surface-level differences:

• one boxer hits harder,

• another moves faster,

• another has more stamina.

What is missing is behavioral distinction.

How does a boxer enter range?
Do they reset often or press continuously?
Do they counter off slips or block and return?
Do they protect a lead or chase dominance?
Do they change when fatigued or double down?

Without these questions embedded into gameplay logic, boxers become interchangeable. They may wear different skins, but they do not fight differently. That failure alone strips the sport of its soul.

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Rounds Exist, but Strategy Often Does Not

Boxing is structured around rounds for a reason. Each round is a tactical puzzle with consequences. Fighters adjust pace, take calculated risks, conserve energy, or surge late depending on context.

When a boxing game allows players to behave the same way in round one as they do in round twelve — with little consequence — the round system becomes ceremonial rather than functional.

A legitimate boxing simulation forces players to think in segments. It makes decisions early matter later. It creates pressure not through artificial meters, but through context: scorecards, fatigue, damage, and opportunity cost.

Without that, matches blur together, and the sport loses its strategic identity.

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Defense Is Treated as a Problem Instead of a Skill

One of the clearest indicators of poor representation is how defense is discussed by players. In real boxing, strong defense is admired. In poorly designed boxing games, it is often criticized as frustrating or exploitative.

That disconnect exists because offensive systems are not equipped to dismantle defense in realistic ways. If a player cannot force openings through body work, positional pressure, feints, or timing variation, the game has failed to teach boxing fundamentals.

Weakening defense to maintain action does not make the game more authentic. It makes it less honest.

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Footwork Is Oversimplified to the Point of Fiction

Boxing does not function without footwork. Range control, power generation, defense, and angles are all rooted in how weight is shifted and space is occupied.

Yet footwork in boxing games is often treated as directional movement rather than a physical commitment. Players can glide, stop, reverse, and pivot without cost. Balance is rarely a factor. Momentum is rarely respected.

When movement lacks consequence, boxers lose identity and exchanges lose meaning. The ring stops feeling like a space to be managed and becomes a flat arena for trading animations.

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The “Messy” Parts of Boxing Are Ignored

Real boxing is not always clean. Clinches, inside fighting, referee breaks, leaning, framing, and subtle physical contests shape real bouts. These moments slow fights down, break rhythm, and force adjustments.

When boxing games avoid these elements to maintain pace, they erase a critical layer of realism. Boxing is not nonstop action, and attempting to force it into that mold produces an inaccurate and ultimately shallow experience.

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Career Modes Miss the Reality of the Sport

A boxing career is not a straight line. Fighters are shaped by matchmaking, politics, trainers, injuries, timing, and opportunity.

Many boxing games reduce careers to sequential fight lists with minimal context. Rankings feel cosmetic. CPU outcomes lack stylistic logic. Losses feel arbitrary. Rivalries feel manufactured.

A sports simulation must model the environment around the athlete, not just the bouts themselves. Without that ecosystem, boxing becomes detached from its real-world meaning.

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Knockouts Are Treated as the Core Experience

Knockouts matter because they are earned. When games tune toward frequent knockouts, everything else becomes secondary: pacing, stamina, defense, and scoring all bend to serve spectacle.

Boxing is compelling precisely because knockouts are not guaranteed. The tension lies in the process, not just the outcome. When a game forgets that, it stops resembling the sport.

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This Is a Respect Issue, Not a Complexity Issue

Other sports have proven that complexity can be layered rather than removed. Simulation, hybrid, and casual experiences can coexist without erasing the sport’s core.

Boxing has not been afforded that same respect.

The consistent implication is that boxing must be simplified to be enjoyable, that its depth is a liability rather than a strength. That assumption is both incorrect and damaging.

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Closing Perspective

Boxing video games do not need to be inaccessible or niche. They do not need to overwhelm new players. But they do need to start from the truth of the sport.

Boxing is not an arcade fighting game with rules layered on top. It is a strategic, round-based sport defined by movement, discipline, and decision-making under pressure.

Until boxing games are designed with that reality at the center — rather than treated as a simplified combat genre — the sport will continue to be misrepresented in a medium capable of honoring it properly.

Boxing deserves better than approximation.
It deserves accurate representation.

Why Poe Matters to the Boxing Videogame Community and Why That Makes Studios Uncomfortable

 

Why Poe Matters to the Boxing Videogame Community and Why That Makes Studios Uncomfortable

The boxing videogame community doesn’t suffer from a lack of voices.
It suffers from a lack of standards.

That’s where Poe enters the picture and why his presence matters far more than whether people agree with him or not.

Poe doesn’t bring hype.
He doesn’t bring blind optimism.
He doesn’t bring “it’s just a game” excuses.

He brings memory, accountability, and an expectation that boxing, as a craft, as a discipline, as a thinking sport, deserves to be treated with respect when translated into a videogame.

That alone makes him disruptive.

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Poe Treats Boxing as a Craft, Not a Cosmetic

Most boxing game discussions start and end with:

• Punch count

• Knockouts

• Flashy moments

• Surface-level realism

Poe talks about:

• Foot placement and weight transfer

• Rhythm, breathing, fatigue, and pacing

• Discipline, patience, and punishment

• The uncomfortable reality that “boring” boxing is often great boxing

That reframes the entire conversation.

It quietly exposes a hard truth.
If a game doesn’t respect the subtleties, it doesn’t respect boxing.

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A Voice Speaking for Boxers Who Don’t Speak at All

Poe is extremely passionate about boxing being represented properly in a boxing videogame, not just cosmetically, but structurally.

He often ends up speaking for:

• Boxers who don’t care how they’re represented

• Boxers who see it as “just an honor” to have their name in a game

• Boxers who don’t understand how games shape public perception

Poe fills that vacuum.

Not to disrespect boxers, but to protect the sport when those closest to it don’t engage with how it’s portrayed digitally.

That’s a responsibility most people don’t want, and few take seriously.

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He Occupies the Space Studios Fear Most

Studios are usually comfortable with two types of voices:

• Fans who will defend anything

• Critics who don’t understand boxing deeply enough to threaten design philosophy

Poe fits neither.

He doesn’t attack for clicks.
He doesn’t praise for access.
He doesn’t soften critiques to stay invited.

Instead, he questions foundations:

• Why systems exist at all

• What philosophy guided their design

• Whether the game understands boxing logic beyond highlights

That kind of critique isn’t patchable.
It can’t be tuned away.
It demands introspection.

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Poe Raises the Intelligence Floor of the Community

This may be the most threatening part.

Once someone explains why a mechanic feels wrong:

• Players can’t unsee it

• Marketing language stops working

• Excuses stop landing

Involving Poe doesn’t calm a community. It educates it.

And an educated audience:

• Asks better questions

• Demands coherence

• Sees through half-measures

That’s a long-term shift studios can’t easily control.

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A Community Builder, Not a Divider

Poe isn’t just a critic. He’s a community-first builder.

Through his podcast and YouTube channel, he:

• Creates space specifically for the boxing videogame community

• Encourages dialogue instead of pile-ons

• Pushes understanding, not tribalism

• Keeps the conversation focused on boxing, not personalities

Most importantly, Poe is pro-options.

He doesn’t argue for one group of fans at the expense of another.
He argues for systems that allow:

• Hardcore realism

• Strategic depth

• Accessibility through learning, not simplification

Options don’t isolate fans. They unify them. Poe understands that.

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Poe Pushes Accountability, Not Engagement

Most studios chase engagement:

• Clips

• Buzz

• Volume

• Activity

Poe pushes accountability:

• Why was this simplified

• Why was realism compromised

• Why does this system contradict boxing logic

• Why are outcomes unearned

Engagement sells copies.
Accountability changes roadmaps.

That difference is everything.

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Poe Refuses to Infantilize Boxing Fans

There’s an unspoken assumption in many modern sports games:

• Players won’t notice depth

• Players don’t want complexity

• Players can’t handle realism

Poe openly rejects that assumption.

He argues that:

• Depth doesn’t alienate casual players

• Systems can teach without hand-holding

• Boxing fans are smarter than studios assume

That challenges internal narratives used to justify shortcuts.

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Why a Studio Might Avoid Involving Him

This isn’t about ego or personal dislike. It’s structural.

Involving someone like Poe seriously would mean:

• Listening, not just appearing to listen

• Reconsidering foundational decisions

• Accepting that some criticisms can’t be solved with sliders

• Admitting that certain design choices may have been wrong

Many studios want feedback, but not consequences.

Poe represents consequences.

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The Uncomfortable Truth

Poe isn’t “too negative.”
He isn’t “toxic.”
He isn’t “too hardcore.”

He represents a version of a boxing game that demands:

• Patience

• Intelligence

• Integrity

• Long-term thinking

And once that comparison exists publicly, it never goes away.

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Why Poe Ultimately Matters

Even when people disagree with Poe, they end up arguing on his terms:

• Boxing vs spectacle

• Depth vs accessibility

• Craft vs flash

That’s influence.

Poe doesn’t just comment on boxing videogames.
He protects boxing’s identity within them, builds community around that identity, and pushes for a future where no group of fans is locked out.

Whether studios listen now or later, voices like Poe are why the future of boxing videogames doesn’t have to be hollow, shallow, or disposable.

Why boxing and gaming fans must demand a survey now, if SCI is making Undisputed 2

 

Why boxing and gaming fans must demand a survey now, if SCI is making Undisputed 2

If Steel City Interactive is even thinking about Undisputed 2, this is the most important moment fans will ever get. Not after trailers. Not after beta. Not after launch. Now.
A real survey right now isn’t a “nice to have.” It’s the difference between a boxing game that evolves—and one that just repackages the same arguments with better lighting.

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1. This is the last window where foundations can still change

Once a sequel moves past pre-production, the big stuff is locked:

• core movement and footwork philosophy

• stamina and fatigue logic

• AI behavior models

• career mode structure

• offline vs online priorities

A survey after these are decided is performative. A survey before them is power.

If fans don’t speak now, they’re agreeing—silently—to whatever direction gets chosen.

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2. Without a survey, devs only hear the loudest 5%

Right now, feedback comes from:

• stream chat

• Discord arguments

• Twitter/X pile-ons

• YouTube comment sections

That is not “the community.” That’s the most online, most reactive slice of it.

A structured survey:

• captures quiet offline players

• captures career-mode lifers

• captures sim fans who don’t stream

• captures boxing heads who don’t argue online

Silence gets mistaken for approval. A survey fixes that.

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3. A survey forces clarity instead of endless circular debates

Right now, everything sounds like:

• “Make it more realistic.”

• “Don’t overcomplicate it.”

• “It should feel like boxing.”

• “It’s just a game.”

Those phrases mean nothing without data.

A real survey asks things like:

• Do you prefer long tactical rounds or short explosive ones?

• Should elite defense be rare and frustrating, or always breakable?

• Should stamina punish poor footwork or just punch spam?

• Do you mainly play offline, online, or both equally?

• Do you want losses in career mode to feel earned, even if they hurt?

That’s how opinions turn into design direction.

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4. Undisputed 2 will define the genre for years

There are not five boxing games competing right now. There’s basically one flagship lane.

Whatever Undisputed 2 becomes will:

• set expectations for future boxing games

• influence funding decisions

• decide whether boxing games chase sim depth or arcade safety

If fans don’t demand input, they’re handing the steering wheel away for another console generation.

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5. Surveys protect devs from the wrong kind of backlash

Here’s the irony: a survey actually helps SCI.

When decisions are backed by:

• “X% of players preferred this”

• “Offline players ranked this as their top priority”

• “Career mode users overwhelmingly asked for this system”

…then backlash becomes harder to weaponize.
Data becomes armor.

No survey means every decision feels arbitrary, and every update feels personal.

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6. Quiet fans are the majority, and they’re the ones being ignored

The loudest voices often want:

• faster KOs

• fewer layers

• simpler answers

But the quiet majority often wants:

• systems that reward patience

• careers that feel earned

• boxers that fight like boxers, not templates

A survey is the only way those players get represented.

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7. If fans don’t ask now, they lose the right to complain later

This is the uncomfortable truth.

If Undisputed 2 drops and:

• career mode is shallow

• AI still feels generic

• footwork still lacks nuance

• offline players feel sidelined

…and no one pushed for a survey when it mattered?
That’s not just on the devs anymore.

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Here is why saying “the developers already know what we want, they do not need a survey” is a bad position to take.

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It replaces evidence with ego

No group of developers, content creators, or loud fans represents the entire community. Saying developers “already know” assumes personal preferences equal majority opinion. That is not insight. That is projection.

Surveys do one thing opinions cannot. They turn feelings into measurable data. Without data, developers are guessing. Guessing is how features get cut, systems get simplified, and excuses get justified later.

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It protects bad assumptions

When surveys are avoided, false narratives survive.

Boxing is slow.
Casual players do not want depth.
Career mode does not matter.
Simulation does not sell.

Surveys challenge those assumptions. Without them, developers can hide behind internal beliefs instead of being challenged by real player behavior.

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It gives developers cover to ignore criticism

When content creators say “trust the devs, they know what they are doing,” it removes accountability. Developers can point to engagement numbers, sales, or social media noise and say, “The community did not ask for this.”

A survey forces clarity. If ten thousand players say they want deeper footwork, stamina realism, or ranking politics, that cannot be brushed off as “a vocal minority.”

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It silences quieter players

Not every fan posts on social media. Not every boxing fan watches streams or argues online. Many older fans, amateur boxers, trainers, and purists do not engage publicly, but they are the ones who want realism the most.

Surveys give those people a voice. Saying surveys are unnecessary only amplifies the loudest personalities and ignores everyone else.

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It confuses feedback with noise

Comments, likes, and reaction videos are not structured feedback. They are emotional snapshots. Developers cannot design systems from vibes.

A proper survey asks specific questions:

• What modes matter most?

• What realism systems feel missing?

• Where does frustration actually come from?

• What depth is worth learning?

Without that structure, feedback becomes chaos, and chaos gets ignored.

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It locks the genre in mediocrity

Boxing games are already rare. They cannot afford guesswork. When fans discourage surveys, they are helping developers repeat safe, shallow design choices instead of evolving the genre.

Every serious sports game that grew did so by studying its audience, not assuming it knew better than them.

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It creates an unhealthy power dynamic

When content creators position themselves as translators for the community, surveys become a threat. A survey removes gatekeeping. It lets players speak directly, without filters, spin, or monetized opinions.

That is why some people resist them, even if they do not realize it.

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The truth

Surveys do not replace developer vision. They sharpen it.

If a game truly represents what fans want, a survey will confirm it. If it does not, a survey exposes the gap early, before trust is lost and excuses start piling up.

Rejecting surveys is not confidence. It is fear of being wrong.

And for a genre fighting for respect, that mindset is self-sabotage.

The bottom line

A survey right now isn’t entitlement.
It’s basic respect between creators and the people keeping the genre alive.

If Undisputed 2 is coming, fans should be saying, clearly and collectively:

“Before you build the future of boxing games, ask us what boxing actually means to us.”

This is the moment.
Miss it, and the conversation resets to arguments instead of progress.

Boxing Videogames Do Not Fail by Accident. They Fail by Disrespect.

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Boxing Videogames Do Not Fail by Accident. They Fail by Disrespect.

Boxing does not struggle in videogames because the sport is difficult. It struggles because too many game companies do not respect it enough to understand it.

That disrespect shows up everywhere. In design choices. In marketing language. In how fans are talked to. In how boxers are represented. In the constant lowering of expectations before the first punch is even thrown.

Boxing is treated as something that must be simplified to survive, when in reality, its depth is the very thing that could make a boxing videogame great.

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Boxing Is Handled Like a Risk Instead of a Legacy

When studios approach boxing, they approach it cautiously, as if the sport itself is a liability. Development decisions are framed around fear. Fear that systems will be “too deep.” Fear that players will not understand stamina. Fear that footwork and positioning are too complicated. Fear that authenticity will scare people away.

That fear does not exist when other sports are made into games.

Football games embrace playbooks, audibles, and personnel packages. Basketball games dive into spacing, tendencies, momentum, and fatigue. Racing games simulate tire wear, fuel, weather, and aerodynamics.

Boxing, however, is constantly stripped down. Mechanics are shaved away. Nuance is removed. What remains is a shallow shell that resembles boxing visually but not spiritually.

That is not a limitation of the sport. It is a limitation of imagination.

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Simplifying Boxing Does Not Make It Accessible. It Makes It Hollow.

There is a persistent belief in the industry that boxing must be reduced for casual players. That belief is not only wrong, it is damaging.

Casual players are not afraid of learning. They are afraid of boredom.

A player does not become invested in boxing by landing random punches. They become invested when they understand why one decision worked and another failed. When they feel the consequences of fatigue. When they learn how range, timing, and patience win fights.

A great boxing videogame would teach players how boxing works without lecturing them. It would turn curiosity into understanding and understanding into appreciation.

When companies refuse to build that bridge, they rob boxing of one of its most powerful growth tools.

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Boxing Fans Are Not the Problem. They Are the Resource.

Few fanbases are as knowledgeable or as passionate as boxing fans, yet they are treated like an obstacle rather than an asset.

When fans ask for realism, they are told they are impossible to satisfy. When they ask for depth, they are accused of nostalgia. When they point out flaws, they are labeled negative or toxic.

This attitude reveals a fundamental misunderstanding.

Boxing fans are not asking for fantasy. They are asking for the sport they already love to be represented with care. They want systems that reflect real decisions, real consequences, and real styles.

Ignoring that knowledge does not protect a game. It weakens it.

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Boxers Are Reduced to Marketing Assets Instead of Individuals

Perhaps the most insulting aspect of modern boxing games is how boxers themselves are handled.

In real life, no two boxers move the same. No two boxers think the same. No two boxers fight the same fight. These differences are the heart of boxing.

In many videogames, those differences barely exist.

Boxers share animations. They share movement logic. They share reactions. Their identities are flattened into ratings and cosmetics. Legends become skins. Styles become presets.

A boxing game should allow players to recognize a boxer before the name appears on screen. When that does not happen, the sport loses its soul.

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Presentation Without Meaning Is Empty

Boxing is drama. It is anticipation. It is ritual. It is pressure building round by round.

Yet boxing games often present fights like disconnected exhibitions. Walkouts feel lifeless. Crowds lack momentum. Commentary feels detached. The emotional stakes that define real fights are absent.

This is not a budget issue. It is a priority issue.

When presentation is treated as decoration instead of storytelling, boxing loses its power to captivate new fans.

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A Boxing Videogame Can Create Fans for Life. Or None at All.

This is the part the industry keeps missing.

A boxing videogame is not just a product. It is a gateway.

For many players, a game will be their first meaningful exposure to boxing. That experience will shape how they view the sport. It can spark curiosity, respect, and fandom. Or it can leave them thinking boxing is shallow, repetitive, and uninteresting.

That responsibility should matter.

When companies rush development, ignore expertise, and dismiss criticism, they are not just releasing a flawed game. They are misrepresenting an entire sport.

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Respect Is Not Optional

Boxing does not need to be reinvented. It needs to be understood.

It needs developers who are willing to study the sport. Designers who respect its subtleties. Producers who trust players to learn. And studios that value long-term legacy over short-term convenience.

Respect the sport, and the design will follow.
Respect the fans, and the community will grow.
Respect the boxers, and the game will finally feel alive.

Until then, boxing videogames will continue to fall short, not because boxing is too complex, but because it is not being taken seriously enough.

A Call to Action to Steel City Interactive’s Designer(s)

 

A Call to Action to Steel City Interactive’s Designer(s)

This is not an attack.

This is not hate.
This is not “fans telling developers how to do their jobs.”

This is a call to action—because the window to get the next boxing game right is shrinking.

Stop designing in a vacuum

Boxing is not a generic sport, and boxing fans are not interchangeable with other sports audiences. Designing systems based on assumptions, internal consensus, or loud online subsets has already shown its limits.

The community has done something rare: it organized its expectations, criticisms, and ideas into a coherent, system-focused framework. Ignoring that doesn’t protect creative control—it increases risk.

Use The Boxing Blueprint/Wishlist as a diagnostic tool

No one is asking you to copy it feature for feature. The ask is simpler and more professional:

• Use it to pressure-test design decisions

• Use it to spot missing systems early

• Use it to understand why certain frustrations keep repeating

• Use it to separate short-term noise from long-term value

This is what good designers do. They seek friction before the market creates it for them.

Boxing games live or die on depth, not hype

Flashy trailers, licenses, and surface-level realism won’t carry a sequel. Boxing fans stay when:

• AI behaves like real boxers, not puppets

• Career modes feel authored, not procedural

• Presentation respects the sport’s culture and history

• Offline play feels complete, not secondary

These are not “wishlist fantasies.” They are retention pillars.

The community you’re overlooking is the one that stays

Casual players may sample. Competitive players may stream.
But long-term boxing fans:

• Buy full-price

• Play offline for years

• Evangelize when trust is earned

• Abandon franchises when they feel dismissed

Designing without them is how franchises stall.

This is about credibility, not control

Engaging with structured community work does not weaken authority. It strengthens it. Studios that last:

• Listen without posturing

• Filter without ego

• Adapt without overcorrecting

If your design vision is strong, it will survive scrutiny. If it isn’t, it’s better to know now.

To designers like Jason Darby and others at SCI

You don’t need to win arguments online.
You don’t need to promise the world.
You don’t need to defend the past forever.

What you do need is alignment—between:

• The sport

• The systems

• The audience

• The future of the franchise

The Boxing Blueprint/Wishlist exists because people still care enough to do the work for free.

That won’t last forever.

The bottom line

This is the moment where you either:

• Build the foundation for a respected, long-running boxing series

• Or repeat the cycle of excuses, patches, and lost trust

The community has handed you a map.
You don’t have to follow every road—but pretending the map doesn’t exist is the real mistake.

Use it. Engage with it. Challenge it.
That’s how better games get made.

Who Should Playtest a Realistic Boxing Videogame and Why Competitive Gamers Are Not the Starting Point

 

Who Should Playtest a Realistic Boxing Videogame and Why Competitive Gamers Are Not the Starting Point

A realistic boxing videogame cannot be playtested by a single group. Boxing is a sport built on consequence, fatigue, positioning, psychology, and long term decision making. Because of that, playtesting must be layered and intentional. Who tests first defines what the game becomes.

The Core Principle

Competitive gamers should absolutely be involved in playtesting.
They just should not be the first, primary, or loudest voices when realism is the goal.

That is not disrespect. That is role clarity.

What Different Playtesters Optimize For

Competitive gamers optimize for winning, efficiency, frame advantage, input speed, and dominant strategies.

Realistic boxing optimizes for risk versus reward, punishment for mistakes, fatigue, recovery, positioning, timing, and style identity.

Those priorities overlap in some areas, but they are not the same. When competitive priorities lead early development, realism erodes quickly.

Who Should Playtest First and Why

Boxers, amateur and professional
They immediately recognize fake movement, unrealistic pacing, unsafe punch recovery, and incorrect distance. They feel when footwork, balance, and fatigue are wrong.

Trainers, coaches, and cornermen
They understand boxing as a system. They test whether styles make sense over rounds, whether adjustments matter, and whether pacing and strategy evolve naturally.

Boxing historians and analysts
They ensure that styles, eras, and legendary fighters do not collapse into reskinned templates. Boxing realism is also historical realism.

Simulation focused boxing gamers
Offline and career focused players stress test AI behavior, long term balance, slider systems, and replay value. They expose repetition and shallow systems.

Only after those foundations are correct should the next group step in.

Where Competitive Gamers Actually Excel

Competitive gamers are specialists, not architects.

They are excellent at:

• Finding exploits

• Breaking systems

• Stress testing input buffering

• Identifying dominant strategies

• Pressure testing responsiveness and online play

That work belongs in late stage development, not at the foundation.

What Happens When Competitive Gamers Lead Too Early

When competitive gamers dominate early playtesting:

• Punches get faster and safer

• Defense becomes overly strong

• Stamina stops mattering

• Risk disappears

• Everyone fights the same way

• The meta replaces boxing

The game may be balanced, but it stops being boxing.

The Order Is Everything

This is the part many people miss.

Who playtests first defines the game’s identity.
Who playtests last refines it.

If realism is established first, competitive play adapts to boxing.
If competition is established first, boxing adapts to competition.

Those are completely different outcomes.

A Simple Analogy

You do not ask esports racers to design a real race car.
You ask engineers and drivers first.

Then you let competitive players push the limits after the machine exists.

Same logic applies to boxing.

The Bottom Line

Competitive gamers are not the enemy.
They are just not the authority on realism.

If boxers, trainers, and historians do not recognize themselves in the ring, no amount of competitive balance will save the experience.

So the real question is not who should be excluded.

The real question is this:

Are we building a boxing simulation, or a competitive game that happens to use boxing animations?

That decision starts with who you let touch the game first.

The Boxing Videogame Fans Want: Poe & the Community’s Core Expectations

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Poe & The Fans’ Expectations for a Boxing Videogame

(Blueprint + Wishlist Edition)

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1. Core Philosophy (Non-Negotiable)

• Boxing is a system of decisions, not a reaction game

• Mechanics must be contextual, not universal

• No system should exist in isolation (movement, stamina, damage, AI must talk to each other)

• The game must support multiple truths of boxing, not one “correct” way to play

• Realism ≠ slow, clunky, or boring
  → realism = consequences

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2. Movement, Footwork & Ring Geography (Blueprint Priority)

• True ring generalship (cutting off the ring actually works)

• Lateral movement drains stamina differently than forward pressure

• Back-foot fighters gain efficiency, not invincibility

• Footwork types:

  • Creeping pressure steps

  • Bounce-in / bounce-out rhythm

  • Pivot-heavy angle creators

  • Flat-footed plodders

• Bad foot placement causes:

  • Slower recovery

  • Reduced punch power

  • Balance penalties

• Rope proximity affects:

  • Punch selection

  • Defensive options

  • AI decision trees

• Corner trapping is earned, not scripted

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3. Punching Systems (Beyond “Light / Heavy”)

• Punches have intent:

  • Range-finders

  • Disruptors

  • Damage dealers

  • Setups

• Punch effectiveness affected by:

  • Stance

  • Distance

  • Momentum

  • Fatigue

  • Balance

• Missed punches matter (whiffs cost energy and position)

• Arm fatigue exists separately from cardio fatigue

• Punch speed drops late—even for elite boxers

• Body punches:

  • Reduce punch output later

  • Affect get-up speed

  • Change AI confidence

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4. Defense Is Not Binary

• Slipping early vs late produces different outcomes

• Blocking drains stamina and vision

• High guard vs cross-arm vs shell are situational, not cosmetic

• Defensive habits develop over rounds

• Panic defense exists

• Defensive IQ separates elites from journeymen

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5. Damage, Hurt States & Fight Flow (Blueprint Core)

• Hurt states are layered, not on/off:

  • Flash hurt

  • Accumulated damage

  • Systemic fatigue

  • Psychological pressure

• Getting rocked changes:

  • Punch selection

  • Footwork confidence

  • AI aggression

• Some boxers get reckless when hurt
  Some survive by instinct
  Some mentally break

• Knockdowns are physics + context, not RNG

• Recovery varies by:

  • Chin

  • Experience

  • Corner quality

  • Damage type

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6. AI That Thinks Like a Boxer

• AI must have preferences, not scripts

• Every boxer has:

  • Comfort zones

  • Risk tolerance

  • Fight IQ ceiling

  • Emotional responses

• AI adapts between rounds, not instantly

• AI can:

  • Steal rounds

  • Protect a lead

  • Chase desperation KOs

  • Survive ugly

• AI mistakes are intentional—not bugs

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7. Tendencies, Capabilities & Personality Sliders (Wishlist Staple)

• 100+ tendency(not all visible, optional) sliders, including:

  • Patience under pressure

  • Body punch commitment

  • Clinch reliance

  • Feint frequency

  • Late-round discipline

• Capability sliders:

  • Recovery rate

  • Balance retention

  • Damage resistance by zone

• Traits override sliders contextually

• Sliders affect AI and player-controlled boxers

• No hidden rubber-banding

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8. Clinch, Inside Fighting & Dirty Boxing

• Clinch is a micro-game, not a pause

• Hand fighting matters

• Ref variability:

  • Quick breaks

  • Warnings

  • Point deductions

• Inside specialists gain advantages

• Fatigue heavily influences clinch outcomes

• Clinch abuse is punishable organically

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9. Career Mode Must Be a Simulation

• Career arcs:

  • Early hype

  • Plateau

  • Reinvention

  • Decline

• Layoffs affect timing and stamina

• Injuries alter training and fight plans

• Training camps:

  • Style-based

  • Trainer-dependent

  • Consequence-driven

• Bad matchmaking can ruin careers

• Titles are not guaranteed

• Losses matter—but don’t end careers unrealistically

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10. Trainers, Gyms & Corners (Blueprint Expansion)

• Trainers have philosophies

• Corners affect:

  • Recovery

  • Confidence

  • Tactical shifts

• Bad advice exists

• Elite trainers unlock strategic layers

• Gym culture influences tendencies

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11. Presentation as Storytelling

• Crowd reacts to momentum, not just KOs

• Commentary references:

  • Fight narrative

  • Past performances

  • Style matchups

• Ring walks reflect psychology

• Post-fight reactions differ for:

  • Robberies

  • Dominant wins

  • Wars

• Presentation respects eras and cultures

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12. Creation & Player Freedom (Sacred Ground)

• Create-A-Boxer is a system editor

• Create trainers, gyms, and stables

• Share and import creations freely

• Creations behave correctly in AI hands

• No artificial caps that break realism

• Offline-first philosophy

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13. Balance Philosophy (Where Most Games Fail)

• Realism modes vs sport modes

• Sliders > forced balance

• No patch that erases styles

• Fix exploits without flattening identity

• Accept that some styles counter others

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14. Developer Accountability Expectations

• Stop hiding behind “first game” excuses

• Stop blaming realism for bad design

• Communicate design intent honestly

• Build modular systems

• Respect boxing knowledge outside the studio

• Treat offline fans as first-class citizens

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15. What The Blueprint Explicitly Rejects

• Universal mechanics

• Animation-first design

• Esports-only priorities

• Fake depth via cosmetics

• “Press to win” systems

• Ignoring boxing history

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Final Truth

Poe and the fans aren’t asking for nostalgia.
They’re asking for evolution, a boxing videogame built like a sport, not a skin-deep product.

Do You Have to Be a Boxer to Make a Realistic Boxing Videogame?

And Are Boxers, Trainers, Historians, and Film Study Needed in the Studio?

This debate keeps resurfacing, and it keeps derailing meaningful discussion.

The claim is simple and sounds logical on the surface:
“If you have never boxed, you cannot make a realistic boxing videogame.”

It is also wrong. Worse, it has become a convenient shield used to defend shallow mechanics, weak AI, and underdeveloped systems.

The truth is more nuanced, less romantic, and far more demanding.

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1. The Fundamental Mistake: Confusing Experience With Translation

Boxing experience and the ability to model boxing are not the same skill.

A boxer:

• Reacts instinctively

• Adjusts subconsciously

• Operates on feel, rhythm, and habit

A videogame:

• Requires explicit rules

• Requires measurable variables

• Must expose cause and effect

• Must behave consistently across thousands of situations

If someone cannot clearly explain why something happens in boxing in repeatable terms, they cannot design it. That is true regardless of how much they boxed.

Realism in games comes from translation, not participation.

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2. Boxing Videogames Are Systems, Not Memories

A realistic boxing videogame is not built from personal recollection.

It is built from interacting systems:

• Distance and spacing

• Timing and initiative

• Risk and commitment

• Fatigue and recovery

• Damage accumulation

• Psychological pressure

• Tactical decision making

• AI adaptation

If even one of these systems is shallow, the illusion of boxing breaks. No amount of boxing background compensates for weak system design.

Systems do not care about résumés.

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3. Why Boxing Experience Alone Often Hurts Design

This is uncomfortable but necessary to say.

When boxing experience is treated as unquestionable authority, it often leads to:

• Gut feeling overriding structure

• “That would never happen” logic ignoring edge cases

• Resistance to abstraction

• Designing for ego instead of outcomes

• Confusing restriction with realism

Real boxing is messy. Fighters make bad decisions. They panic. They abandon game plans. They repeat mistakes.

Games that chase “authentic feel” without systems often erase these realities and replace them with clean, heroic, predictable behavior. That is not realism. It is fantasy boxing.

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4. The Question Studios Should Ask, But Rarely Do

The important question is not:
“Did you box?”

It is:
“Can you explain your boxing systems under pressure?”

Ask any developer:

• Why does missing a punch matter?

• How does stamina change decision making?

• What happens when a fighter panics?

• How do tendencies override player intent?

• What stops perfect defense?

• How does distance actually punish mistakes?

If the answers are vague, defensive, or rely on “you would understand if you boxed,” the systems are weak.

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5. Realism Is Behavioral, Not Visual

Most boxing games chase realism in the wrong place.

They focus on:

• Motion capture

• Punch variety

• Broadcast presentation

• Big cinematic moments

Realism lives in behavior:

• Fighters freezing after being clipped

• Pressure fighters overcommitting when tired

• Slick boxers losing discipline late

• Bad habits surfacing under stress

• Styles clashing in unpredictable ways

These are AI and systems problems, not animation problems. Boxing experience does not automatically solve them.

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6. Where Boxers, Trainers, Historians, and Film Study Actually Fit

Yes, these roles are needed. But they are not designers. They are domain authorities.

Boxers

Boxers are invaluable for:

• Describing emotional and psychological pressure

• Identifying when behavior feels fake

• Explaining what happens when plans break down

They validate outcomes, not implementations.

Trainers

Trainers are often more useful than boxers for:

• Tactical structure

• Adjustment logic

• Style matchups

• Discipline versus chaos

• Long term habit formation

They think in systems naturally, which maps well to AI behavior.

Historians

Historians prevent modern bias and flattening of styles.
They help with:

• Era specific pacing and rules

• Style evolution

• Cultural approaches to boxing

• Avoiding present day assumptions

Without them, every era plays the same.

Film Study

Film study is non negotiable.

Not highlights. Not montages. Full rounds.

Film study reveals:

• True exchange frequency

• Miss rates

• Recovery time

• Distance errors

• Repetitive habits

• Ugly, uncinematic moments

Film settles arguments and replaces memory with evidence.

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7. The Correct Studio Structure

This is where studios succeed or fail.

1. Systems designers and AI engineers build the mechanics, rules, sliders, states, and penalties.

2. Boxers, trainers, and historians validate outcomes, flag unrealistic behavior, and provide correction.

3. Film study acts as the final authority when opinions conflict.

When boxing authorities override systems design, realism suffers.
When systems ignore boxing authorities, realism collapses.
When film study is missing, ego replaces evidence.

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8. Why the Myth Persists

The “you must have boxed” argument survives because it is useful.

It shuts down criticism.
It avoids accountability.
It reframes design flaws as ignorance.

If realism were actually present, it would not need gatekeeping to defend it.

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9. The Truth About Hybrid Games and False Realism

Many boxing games are intentionally hybrids:

• Forgiving timing

• Artificial momentum

• Overpowered defense

• Predictable AI behavior

They feel like boxing.
They look like boxing.
They are not simulations.

Calling them realistic lowers the bar and poisons the conversation about what is possible.

Realism is about consequence, not comfort.

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10. 

You do not need to be a boxer to make a realistic boxing videogame.

You do need:

• Deep systems thinking

• Respect for the sport

• Willingness to embrace discomfort

• Obsession with cause and effect

• Courage to let fights be messy, ugly, and unfair

Boxing games do not fail because developers did not box.

They fail because developers did not design boxing deeply enough.